There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). But thats how I see it. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. In 1951 Bergen Beach hadn't yet gained its acreage of tract housing. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. 127 Utica Avenue Brooklyn, NY, 11213-2338. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Now for the second option. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. There are also some windows in this level. 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. In fact, it makes pretty much every stop that the current B46SBS makes except for Winthrop, which IMO is not really deserving of a stop. But after World War II priority shifted to rehabilitating the existing system and even through Utica Ave would be featured in many of the post-War expansion plans there always seemed to be other projects that got chosen first. mind=the same Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. . But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. Noise complaints, and B46 would have to be detoured. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. I thought that was my craziest but. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. Even today Utica makes too much sense. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. Well then what are we waiting for? It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Train operators. I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Great idea. It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. Abandoned Stations List; . Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Doesnt matter. And also, what will take the (B)s place as the Brighton Express? Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. Also major problem. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). 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Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. This final station is worth considering because even though half the catchment area is parkland and the Mill Basin canal the station would serve the popular Kings Plaza Mall and there is space for a modern bus terminal for better service around southeastern Brooklyn and to the Rockaways. 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. Just an idea! The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Lower track becomes less of a climb. The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. something like that on pillars in refurbished station? IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! Thats right, build subways to validate els. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. Lets get it built! Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Freeway-style concrete pillars. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Might The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Im not sure why you are even proposing this. Could be Im missing an important element here. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. 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