So I bought the picture, took it to the Worcester Art Museum. So, you know, those are the kinds of things that happen more frequently, which is that one finds a hand in a Carlo Maratti painting, and one then goes and finds that the Albertina has that hand in a sketchbook that is known to have been by [Andrea] Sacchi or Maratti. [Laughs. [Laughs.] So, yes, I spent a lot of time with history in general, not art history, and was always interested in history. JUDITH RICHARDS: That would mean three or four years? CLIFFORD SCHORER: early panel paintings in New England, for example. So the logical leap I made, which in hindsight was a very good one for commercial reasons, was Chinese Imperial. Fellow collectors in the field? JUDITH RICHARDS: and what it stood for. I'm actually building a building in Massachusetts for that, which. Hunter Cole, artist. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Mm-hmm. [00:18:01], CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yes, and it has to be opportunistic. Are there light issues with the materials that you collect, and has that beenor had an impact on your home? I mean, I'm trying to think. But I do think it wraps human history in a way that makes it exciting, but it also can still be beautiful in those settings. I mean, you have to be able to provide for everybody that works for the company, but, you know, the company itself may not provide for its shareholders very well. And in my new home in BostonI just got a small place to replace my big house because I needed a place to sleep when I'm in Boston. Their sketches, woodcuts, and paintings showed both the . My great-grandfather, when I was around eight or nine years old, gave me a Hefty trash bag with 80,000 postage stamps in it and said, "Sort these out." CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, I mean, my house is always very sort of Victorian curtains and heavy, heavy, heavy, to the chagrin of everybody. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Rightly, they show things, you know, six months every five years, to preserve the image from UV radiation. And, you know, the best Procaccini, when I was looking back in 2000, was 5 to 6 million. It was very early. And those days are now over, because the auction companies have created a broader market. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Hence, the doorway into paintings. That is a harder issue for the contemporary world, I think. JUDITH RICHARDS: So that was really interesting and enjoyable, JUDITH RICHARDS: to learn what was entailed in. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I moved around quite a bit. I mean, there wasthere was a bit of knowledge of something's not right here. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And then we get on our airplanes, and we start flying around, looking for things, yeah. That's your real risk. So my mother and father divorced when I was very young. JUDITH RICHARDS: or show people the works there? Other kinds of pitfalls that you might, CLIFFORD SCHORER: All of the above. And I'm reminded that recently I was traveling around TEFAF [The European Fine Art Fair] with the curator from Antwerpthe chief curatorand we found a Chinese 18th-century Qianlong export plate with a Rubensa very sort of adulterated Rubens painting on it. Images. And, you know, those are amazing moments. When you're dealing with loans, and physically, the reality of the question, do you employ a registrar or an art handler or anyone like that? When the mainland Chinese entered the marketplace, it was all changed. I mean, certainly, Thomas Leysen, who's a phenomenal collector in Antwerp. And she said, "Well, I'd borrow the Luca Giordano from your living room," because I was closing my house up. And we've obviously done a lot of work on our Pre-Raphaelite exhibition, which was kind of a protractedwe did, basically, a two-year Pre-Raphaelite fiesta, with lots of publications. For example, I am a big fan of [Giulio Cesare] Procaccini. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, yeah. As a museum president, I saw that, you know, the risk that the curator's friend who happens to be an artist gets a monographic show. It was quite a spectacle. JUDITH RICHARDS: When you say "secondary names," those are still artists who would be in museum collections? JUDITH RICHARDS: And you bought it? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. I'm done. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Only incidental to paintings. I never thought, frankly, it was a field of complexity enough to warrant even reading about it. So I got the full pay for six months in one month. And, of course, the idea they were in Egypt would add to that kind of, you know, sort of desert mystique of the whole thing. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you see yourself spending more and more time in London? Renowned for his powerful paintings of American life and scenery, Winslow Homer (1836-1910) remains a consequential figure whose art continues to appeal to broad audiences. JUDITH RICHARDS: So do you live with art in London? Schorer also describes his discovery of the Worcester Art Museum and his subsequent work there on the Museum's board and as president; his interest in paleontology and his current house by Walter Gropius in Provincetown, MA; his involvement with the purchase and support of Agnew's Gallery based in London, UK, and his work with its director, Anthony Crichton-Stuart; his thoughts on marketing at art shows and adapting Agnew's to the changing market for the collecting of Old Masters; the differences between galleries and auction houses in the art market today; and his expectations for his collection in the future. And I decided my aesthetic. I mean, I have a fewI have a print from a Bulgarian art show from 1890. View Details. [Laughs.]. And it came up for bid, and I was bidding on it, and I think it ended up pushing over [$]1.7 [million], and I was out. You know. JUDITH RICHARDS: If there are any remnants? JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that a new revelation? CLIFFORD SCHORER: I did haveI did haveso, I'm trying to remember how old I was when I boughtI bought a big house that needed a lot of work. I mean, the institutions usually insure when it's inside their building, and I insure it to get there and to get it back. But, yeah. And I think it's working in a sense that people think of us a little bit differently than they did Agnew's under the old ownership, and I think we've come full circle; I think the five years that we've been operating in business, Anthony has done a wonderful job, you know. You know, you're always in conflict. So if there's something I need to learn, I will learn it, you know, if I have to. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yes, every day. [Laughs.] How did that interest. I needed to think about walls. [They laugh. JUDITH RICHARDS: Does Agnew's participate in art fairs? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Professor [Ernest] Wiggins. It wasit was a vestige of youth. These 27 are unaffordable. But the problem is, New England is dry as a bone in the winter, so you have, you know, you have extremes, and I think the differenceif you kept a painting in England for 350 years, if you kept the painting in New England for 35 years, I bet it would have far more wear and tear in New England. I mean, I would call Frederick Ilchman; I would call somebody, and I would say, "Who should I talk to about this person?" CLIFFORD SCHORER: And the flea markets then were. So I dropped. I mean, yes, of course. Those days are long over. In the archive there are astonishing surprises. The whole family went down to greet the boats, transfer the fish to their baskets, and haul the catch back up to the village. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Even though they're Americans, through and through. I would saysometimes I still go over to the Natural History Museum just to poke around. If we rely upon the aesthetic of our art and say, Here it is. She just, actually, sold one of my earliest acquisitions to one of her collectors because, you know, now I'm not so focused on that. So that's why it's amazing now, because we're at a time when people are out hunting all the time, which is great. And I would go to those. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I worked thereso while I was working there, my father was lobbying hard to get me to go back to school. JUDITH RICHARDS: So they were very strict with provenance restrictions. the answer is definitively, "No." JUDITH RICHARDS: But you started out displaying these 300? The divorce began when I was four. [Laughs.] CLIFFORD SCHORER: Putting aside in storage happened organically, because by the time I was three years into my house, I had more than I could use in my house. So that is something I did with them. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because the path was getting very cluttered. So I got in my car and I drove over there at lunchtime, and I walked through the whole building, and literally, there was nobody there. JUDITH RICHARDS: How did that happen? So there were, you know, four or five sales a year. JUDITH RICHARDS: Probably there's a few things that happened before that, we haven't touched on. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's a big change, yes. Race, War, and Winslow Homer The artist's experiences in the Civil War and after helped him transcend stereotypes in portraying Black experience. And the focus was much more British 20th century. I started my new company. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. JUDITH RICHARDS: or any of that sort of stuff . He would run around to continental auctions back before the internet, and now the kids and I do a lot. And the difference is, of course, in those days they could sustain an enormous work house with a framing shop and a carriage shop that moved pictures around and, you know, all sorts of services. JUDITH RICHARDS: What is a cash-flow business? But I bought it for the frame. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, why does this woman look like a skeleton? But really, this house sort of speaks for itself as a kind of singular work of art, as Gropius so often said. Not a lot of pieces, because they were much more expensive. It's got to be more than 16 years ago because I've been on the roster there for 16 years, so maybe 20 years ago. You have to understand, I think, that at the core it's about the object for me; it's about theit's about the artwork. It was just crazy. I mean, there wereit was such a different time. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I know the famous expression about the collection you have and the collection you have in your mind. CLIFFORD SCHORER: My grandfather and I had a similar language about the world. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. [00:02:03]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: A 110-foot whale, very big specimen. CLIFFORD SCHORER: We brought back together some pictures that hadn't been together since the 1870s. JUDITH RICHARDS: What kind of institution were you in? I'm also doing other things. So I think back then it was much more about a buying strategy, and, you know, I think now I would say, Be very cautious and very slow, because now the market is created to separate you from your money and, JUDITH RICHARDS: And this applies to specifically Italian Baroque or any of the areas you've, CLIFFORD SCHORER: generally speaking, what's happened is the auction market, which used to be a wholesaler's market, has become a mass market, and as such, the marketing techniques employed have become mass-market marketing techniques. And then I promised myself, I'm going to get out of high school and I'm going to go down to Virginia. $14. That are in, you know, the rarefied collectors' hands. Where you. [Laughs.]. You know, the really great, truly amazing things that anybody would want in their collection have decoupled from the rest of the market, the rest of the market which was the kind ofall the way from, and I say this disparagingly, decorative works up to sort of upper-middle market works. No one, you knowother than school trips, people didn't really think of it as a great collection. I said, "You've got a great collection here." We put it on a trailer. I mean, then it wasthen it was, CLIFFORD SCHORER: I would say by 1990I bought locally until '94, '95. Once the stock reduces by half add in . Relatives. So it really was a question of lobbying to say, "Look, I'll make this better for you over a period of years," than doing it this way. You know, and I was trying to do my best to go along with that because I thought it was a ticket to yet another city. I mean, I would say weI didn'tI always thought of it as a bit of a battlefield rather than a camaraderie. Steel Herman Miller partitions from the early '80s were still there. She said, "Those are the kids," meaning that's the young crowd that they get, you know, that's the 60-to-80 crowd instead of the 80-to-100 crowd. [01:02:02]. Clifford J. Schorer is known for Plutonium Baby (1987). I went to Thessalonica; I got in a rental car. He focuses on businesses with unique ideas or technologies that are in need of guidance during their initial growth phases. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Meaning, I bought a company. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you want to mention any specifics? Winslow Homer (February 24, 1836 - September 29, 1910) was an American landscape painter and printmaker, best known for his marine subjects.He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. JUDITH RICHARDS: You had no idea when you went to Plovdiv that there would be such a. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, I mean, I love lending things, and I have a lot of things on loan, and I would like to do more of that. There were definitelyit would definitelyI mean, there are still major goals that are unachieved thatyou know, there's a whole list, yes, and there are some with highlighting, some without, some that are possible, some that are not. So, you know, you have theseyou have those happy happenstances. It sounds, from what you've said, that you prefer a level of anonymity with your loans and your donations. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. I'm thinking of that period before, then I'm going to talk about the panel at the Frick, 2013. And also, my grandparents wanted me to be a child. I mean, I'm very social. I mean, this year, there might be two and next year there might be none. He then became a master of sketches and watercolors. I mean, the output of those workshops was massive, massive. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm not that intelligent. JUDITH RICHARDS: So instead of collecting for yourself, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, I'm thinking about now collecting in a different way. And, you knowand I sent them a commendation letter afterwards. JUDITH RICHARDS: Because you couldn't be competing. Occupation: Real Estate/Realtor. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have you been involved with other arts institutions besides Worcester? JUDITH RICHARDS: And how does that manifest itself? You know, from the slaves of West Africa, to the sugar, to the rum, to the plates, to the spices. You know, thissort of the pre-1900 art is still centered in London. And I remember having sort of a few passing conversations. arugula, potato and green bean salad . But because of the scarcity, it can't at all occupy as much time and. My aesthetic was decided very early. So when I finally got a big house in BostonI bought a townhouse and renovated it. But I did buy things that were interesting. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That was the first thing that I bought as a painting, yes. JUDITH RICHARDS: Oh, you were living with your mother? So I'm sure that somewhere they've usedyou know, time goes by, and they use your name. I wanted to have a three-day ceratopsian symposium, which they did a wonderful job of. Schorer. JUDITH RICHARDS: Were there collections in other institutions in Boston that you might've, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Eventually I got access to Harvard, and that was great because then I could troll the stacks, which I did for 20 years every night of my life. I think that's fantastic. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you acquire any friends? [00:16:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's interesting that, generally speaking, no, because, you know, the works on paper department has a very different policy on showing things. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you recall his first name? ], And, I mean, I remember spending as much time as possible in front of that painting, and obviously, you know, that. And, you know, these were major paintings, so it was a prettyit was a bigger risk. And though that might have been too bold for our first step out of the box, because it was so much contemporary and so in-your-face, but we had been doing steps in that direction all the way along. ], JUDITH RICHARDS: That's okay. But, I mean, I can tell, you know, when yet another picture arises from a certain quarter, what we're dealing with. Alf Clausen, film composer. Before that, I'd always assumed that I couldn't. You walk in; there's no receptionist. Like the bestyou know, the very important people in the orbit of the greatest, and very, very good quality; I mean the best quality that there is. CLIFFORD SCHORER: and he said, you know, "You need to be involved in this museum; you need to be involved with this museum." CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sure. Release Calendar Top 250 Movies Most Popular Movies Browse Movies by Genre Top Box Office Showtimes & Tickets Movie News India Movie Spotlight. And that's not my world at all. You know, bringing an efficiency model to a museum can destroy a museum. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, with plenty of Q&A. He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as in New York, which he eventually made his home in 1859. . 750 9th Street, NW Before we get to thatso that's 2008, about? So they had had merger discussions in the '70s to merge the institutions, and the Higgins finally ran out of runway. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. It was a lot of time, a time I still don't have, but it was a lot of time. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. They got the Bacon as the plum to borrow the Rembrandt. But, you know, the other trip that really comes to mind recentlyand, again, it's in a totally unrelated field. So. You know, when you happen to be at the moment when something is coming out of the ground [00:22:00]. Are there other museum committees thatwell, I suppose if you lived in New York, you'd contemplate being part ofbut have there been or are there other opportunities like that you've, CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, there would be, CLIFFORD SCHORER: opportunities I think, CLIFFORD SCHORER: yeah. I mean, I think if youwell, I guess, in scale, Colnaghi and Agnew's were the two large players that had the large back of house. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That started 14 years ago, or 10, 12 years ago. You know, it clouds my view of the artwork. JUDITH RICHARDS: yourself a kind of an allowance of paintings? [00:22:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: I bought it, yes. TV Shows. And you know, I'myou know, if you ask me to, I'll do the carpentry, the electrical, and the plumbing. [00:46:00]. Winslow Homer. I've been invited to a few other things, but it's really a question of, you knowmy geography is such that I'm not usually in the neighborhood at the right moment. The party was also attended by Winslow Homer who was asked by Lady Blake to sketch the children. So in this case, we were able to do something which German museumsGerman state museums with historical arthave traditionally said no to. So we went down thereat 13, when he moved down there. But you know, obviously, I thought it was really fun to be there at that moment, that particular moment. Is that the case? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Oh, boy, that's a tough one. The auction house will charge me zero." CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm trying to think what I'veno, what I've done is, which is interesting, is I've sort of done that kind of thing your psychiatrist advises you to do, which is I'm projecting. And it was a very independent study. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Absolutely. And we can coverbecause between the three of us going through a catalogue, we will isolate out the nine things worth sharing, and then we share those nine things, and then we comment on them, like attribution comments, back and forth. 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